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Wednesday, June 04, 2003

A Challenge from Greg Lance Watkins

Last Sunday evening a response to our circular e-mail Circular e-mail was posted on a platform called ukip mail from which the originators of this Blogspot and Martin Cole have been deliberately excluded, as has the latter also been excluded from the main UKIP chat forum moderated by the General Party Secretary (so much for UKIPs claims to a belief in free speech).

This is a particularly unpleasant diatribe, and we have removed the names of certain senior party members which it unjustifiably attacks. Otherwise it is posted in full as received from a third party, the author lacking the courtesy of addressing his reply either directly to us or on a site to which we have access!

Those not wishing to churn through the whole thing can await our next post where we shall give our considered view to the few points made that might be deemed worthy of answer. We place this vitriol on our site as we feel it clearly demonstrates the true nature of the problems afflicting UKIP.
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From: "Greg Lance Watkins"
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Subject: UKIP is Making Real Progress - Inspite of A Few Fools
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 00:08:40 +0100
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UKIP is Making Real Progress Inspite of A Few Fools
Hi,
At the end of this article I have printed, in full, a vitriolic, self centred, inaccurate, personalised and not surprisingly unsigned!!! Attack on Britains ONLY realistic lifeboat at this time UKIP.
I am not a member of any political party and have NO financial or party gains to make and thus consider ONLY the well being of Britain and our peoples, as I understand decency and integrity to stand and their best interests to pertain. I do not come to this discussion from any religious or superstitious view point as I have little but contempt for ALL such superstitions.
I do not demand that you agree with me but I do ask that you consider the facts before you, your country and ultimately the peace of this planet is before you and in YOUR hands.
I shall endeavour to address only the points made in the attack below, point by point.
I have placed the strongest point of evidence towards the end.
I regret, perforce, this rebuttal is long and in some places detailed, I have checked every fact I put forward, where possible, and leave YOU to draw your own conclusions [unlike the attacker who gave NO substantiation of their vitriol.] You may well receive this document as an attachment, or as an email or broken into a series of numbered emails. I apologise if you receive it in various formats, or in duplication but I believe that it requires the widest coverage and to that end would ask you to forward it to others.
To avoid being as despicable as the attacker and hiding behind anonymity and for those who do not know me my name is Greg Lance-Watkins, I am a retailer and book dealer in Chepstow with an 8 room shop carrying some 60,000 titles of rare, antiquarian, new and secondhand books. I also stock stamps, coins, medals, cap badges, bank notes, tokens, post cards and antiquarian maps and prints. My shop is open from around 10.30ish. each morning and closes at 17.30hrs. 6 days a week and my phone number is 01291 62 65 62.
If you have a problem with ANY of this communication please do not hesitate to contact me as I will ALWAYS stand by what I say.
Each point in the rebuttal commences with a number and the statement is in parenthesis, my response commences and ends with a double asterix viz. ** I do hope you find it easy to follow.**
To continue:
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01 Dear fellow Member of the UK Independence Party,
**in view of the comments made in the attack and the obvious wish of the author to remain anon. Perhaps considering just how out of step with reality, UKIP, the majority of the NEC, the leaders and the majority of the membership of UKIP surely the only act of integrity you can make is resign!**
02 We at the blogspot http://ukipuncovered.blogspot.com
**who are obviously too ashamed to admit who we are? Though I understand the web site is a follow on from that posted by Martin Cole and seemingly much in tune with Britain in EUrope.**
03 have been trying over the last couple of months to throw some light on the
workings of our party.
**this of course is patently untrue all one need do is read the web site to KNOW the aim is to harm Britain by damaging UKIP. Perhaps if it was true they would realise how the Party is on the verge of some very big strides forward. Perhaps if they want to undersdtand the workingsthey could try doing some rather than fermenting vitriolic pique.**
04 It is, we regret to have to inform you, in dire straits.
**How right you are YOUR party is in dire straits but you are a tiny irrelevant faction, UKIP however is seemingly going from strength to strength. Anything anyone can do CONSTRUCTIVELY to further UKIP will I am sure be most welcome by those with integrity on the NEC.
The very few on the NEC who might be foolish enough to wish to make mischief with this sordid little web site will no doubt be leaping up and down like small children with wet knickers clamouring to be seen and in their insecurity wanting votes of No confidence in those who form the backbone of the party. They will be the faction who like dizzy queens in a pantomime invoke their personal lawyers at every opportunity like Widow Twankey invoking Giants!!**
05 Please take the time to try to visit our web site over the coming weekend. There you will find various articles and comments on recent startling events surrounding the attempts to impose selected head office favourites on certain regions for the upcoming European
Parliamentary elections.
**I did of course waste my time so doing, before I wrote this, I found nothing remotely startling and a malign list of sour grapes. I would suggest I become the last person to waste their time reading the rubbish but each of you may read it if you wish!!
I must say I am glad that the fact that the Party rules WERE imposed in the recent elections, is highlighted on the web site, and I trust the returning officer will be invoking others to call for resignations and effect dismissals from the party of certain NEC members over the next few days.**
06 Also there is some background information
**From a very jaundiced perspective, as will be immediately noticed the entire web site seems to be set up to benefit the EU Soviet, as it aims to harm the honest endeavours of hardworking members of UKIP like Lott, Farage, Knapman, Booth and the like.
It is interesting to note who is attacked and note it is those who are most frequently to be seen and heard on the media and at public meetings the length and breadth of Britain. Those who regularly fight for Britain against the EU Soviet.**
07 on our present leadership and past controversial incidents,
**utter irrelevancies as UKIP is a forward looking party aiming to help Britain NOT a party set up to write the history of Britains demise not one of the points raised seemed of consequence to today or in the future!**
08 such as the pirated video tapes and the attempt to extort money from the Conservative Party at the last general election.
**These two are classic examples of the calibre of these sad people lets look more closely:
The so calledpirated video this was a video produced by the BBC featuring in the main UKIPs and particularly Farages blistering attacks on the EU Soviet the BBC were so frightened of the damage that general release would cause their sponsors the EU Soviet and Tiny Blur & Drowning Street that they suppressed the programme. A copy of the video was obtained by legitimate means and it was duplicated by Farage and put in the public domain.
The BBC indulged in a certain amount of aimless sabre rattling for cosmetic purposes and UKIP are to be congratulated on producing the video not quite how Cole &/or Britain in EUrope or vitriolic non entities like ****, ****, ****, ****, or the like would wish it to be seen!!
On the point of seeking funding from the Tories well done those who tried. It would be fun to see the undecided and uncommitted funding UKIP who ever they are. Dont forget the offer was made tongue in cheek that UKIP would not stand against certain timorous beasties in the Tory party like Redwood, Letwin and the like who are EUroSceptics too fond of their jobs to actually be honest and campaign to leave the EU. Well done UKIP for trying to make these weak men honest!!**
09 Although it is unlikely that outsiders would casually come across the web site, there are certain other matters so serious that we
have considered it unwise to place details on the website. Among these are the threats of personal violence made against those who
ave had the courage to try and resist the descent of our party towards the gutter.
**One has to wonder whether those who support the web site are still on the sex offenders register for abusing children?
A measure of them is that in that I am backing my EVERY statement with my name and am readily available, having given my address and phone number, it is more likely that MY ungrounded accusation against them will prove more plausible than theirs against UKIP especially as EVERY point so far made by them I have PROVED to be a falsehood or a dishonest misrepresentation.**
10 The Chairman/woman of the North East and Yorkshire regions, who have no connection with one another except for the elected positions they hold in their respective regions, both received an offer of personal protection from a company providing bodyguards namely, CSPA (UK) Ltd., of Harrogate. Nobody can of course prove this was a threat, nor indeed that it had any connection with anybody within UKIP, but it seems an extraordinary coincidence. Especially as we have been told of a more open threat delivered elsewhere.
**It is a good job that all debate against UKIP is of this sort of childish calibre. Of course they were in contact they both have phones, use email and attend meetings! Why make such a transparent lie?
Well done the marketing department of CSPA(UK) Ltd. They are obviously on the ball!!
When it comes to threats call me if you are frightened I have outstanding written death threats against me which were sent to the press and are open files with Special Branch so what! I can tell you for free it is better than being at the wrong end of automatics in the hands of Congo Goons, Philipino dissidents, Manaus Security Guards or BOSS been there, done that, even the EU Soviets enforcers are amateurs by comparison J **
11 We do not know the reasons for the recent resignation of the NW regional committee chairwoman and NEC member,
**I do and I can assure you it is without sinister motive or conspiracy she travelled a long distance and was not prepared to watch the posturing of certain NEC members for 8 hours as at the last NEC, she and most grown ups found the behaviour of a small number of members of the NEC to be selfish, self important and disruptive it is hardly the place to rehearse the part of Kenneth Williams in a bad Carry on Movie!!**
12 but her voice for the ordinary membership will be badly missed.
**Very true if it was not for the fact that UKIP has a process for replacement dont forget there is no shortage of people who aspire to elected office the problem is finding ways to block out the useless! As proven by many of those on the NEC who one rarely sees or hears on the media or public meetings except when they want YOUR vote!!**
13 If the upcoming NEC meeting on Monday goes the way of those in the recent past, more such reasonable voices may be lost,
**this is always a danger in any Party just look at Labour and the Tories for proof. It is a relief however that NONE of the fools on the NEC hold responsible positions either on the NEC or in the Party, nor did they show well in the recent polls and it is probable that several of those seeking to disrupt the party for personal, religious or EU gain will be gone soon.**
14 and the task of recuing the party will become hopeless.
**how you do betray your aims this threat overlooks completely the need for UKIP and the certainty that Britain WILL leave the EU Soviet and it is a matter of how and when. Dont despair once you and your supporters with your constant flow of vitriolic angst have left UKIP it will progress much faster UKIPs achievements have been inspite of the likes of your clique and as you wither away the party will be enhanced.**
15 Our commendation and thanks should be due to those who in spite of all this have remained with the party and continue to fight to
return it onto a sounder course. Imagine for a moment how you would feel, first receiving a solicitor's letter informing you that you
were suspended from your elected position, a role to which you had devoted many freely given hours a day for some considerable time.
**Here of course the truth comes out sour grapes!!
Of course the clique you allude to were recipients of solicitors letters, they were in direct breach of the rules of UKIP and the letter could not of course have been sent by the Party solicitor without legitimate and legal instruction.
You fail to point out the FACT that the letter to which you allude merely requested their signature thereto accepting they would abide by the rules for the election being terribly self important people [who very few people out of their area had heard of] they were spurred on by the support of a few sychophants and certain NEC traitors, or so it seems, and decided to run THEIR region how they wanted regardless of the rules. They refused to be bound by the rules so their respective committees were obviously disbanded.
You also fail to point out their abuse of privilege and their subsequent use of party assets.
IF, as proven, these little folk are too stupid or too self centred to understand rules then Im sure most members would agree UKIP is better off without them.The immense EFFORTS claimed are reflected by the miniscule achievement of those individuals in either recruiting OR fund raising!! UKIP has around 180 members in the NE do YOU believe that is adequate? Do you believe that grants those there a license to ignore the Head Office? GOOD RIDANCE if they are not with UKIP they are obviously against UKIP as their web site and distribution shows.
The astonishing part is they were so keen to corrupt the election that they ignored the solicitors letter, the Party rules and the British Justice system!! How right UKIPs senior management were to fire them!
It is strange that people who constantly berate the Tories for not firing the traitor in their midst Heath, Clarke, Portaloo, Maude, Berkow and the like are expected to tolerate traitors in their own midst.**
16 This blow, only to be followed by weeks of concerted and unjustified attacks, innuendo and villification
**All of which could have been avoided if the individuals in question had the integrity to honour the rules and abide by the terms of the solicitors letter sent to them by UKIP!**
17 being finally capped by the arrival of a glossy brochure from a private protection firm, with its inherent suggestion that you might well soon be in need of such services? Can anyone seriously believe that an ordinary volunteer party member going about their daily lives could possibly afford such a service?
**Poor diddums frightened of a brochure!!!!! In answer to your question could they afford? Well very likely they could when you think that ****, in direct breech of the rules and in abuse of her position in UKIP, could afford to and did call meetings to directly campaign AGAINST a certain candidate an action so corrupt in electoral terms that it is to be hoped she will be ditched by UKIP within days! Yes they may well have been able to afford such services, they could even have sent each other brochures, consider **** can afford in flagrant breech of the electoral rules to abuse his position on the NEC and openly provide an entire video seeking to campaign against an individual in UKIPs election I wonder if he will have the integrity to resign? I doubt it, for it is not the first time he has set out at substantial cost, in abuse of his position, to subvert the outcome of a UKIP election! Hardly surprising for a former Labour Councillor with an interest in his own political grouping for which he writes & publishes!**
18 On Monday 2nd June the NEC of the UK Independence Party will meet with several critical items on its agenda. Please contact any
Committee member you may know and make your opinion on these important matters known. Is it not democracy for which we fight?
Urgent decisions are required on the following:
**This position I concur and may I suggest you also ask them to congratulate those on the NEC and in office who are most frequently seen in the media and at public meetings around the country espousing UKIPs position and refraining where possible from attacking each other in public!!**
19 1) The reinstatement of the Yorkshire & Humberside and North East Regional Committees. Failing this legal proceedings look inevitable and the party's case weak.
**There will of course be NEW Regional Committees instated where appropriate in accord with the Party Rules etc.
The Party case if taken to law is bomb proof in that the correct actions and the correct warnings and the correct solicitors letters were all duly issued in accord with law. There is NO doubt there were irregularities by the respective committees.
Let us hope the NEW committee for the NE recruits rather more than the paltry number their predecessors recruited.
As a personal anecdote I well recall being forced to invoke the Chair, and an MEP and the party leader to have a candidate instated in the NE who was VERY well respected there and exceeding well connected NE Committee tried to block him because he was not in their clique! Or so it seemed and also tried to claim it was too much work!!! Im glad they have been fired it is often worth cutting out a cancer before it invades the whole body!**
20 2) The situation following ****'s resignation as MEP candidate and the implications on Cole's earlier and now upheld disqualification.
**It is self evident in this instance that although it is Coles territory the web site is miss informed. Having seen the details of Troy and being aware of the situation from both angles please permit my discresion on this point! I can assure you the inference of the web sites point (2) is incorrect.**
21 3) Settlement or continuation of the imminently pending High Court case regarding an earlier candidate disqualification in an NEC
election.
**This I presume is the rather ridiculous **** woman who constantly makes protestations that she has no desire to harm the party and then puts a price tag on it. She is sadly without shame and unfortunately backed by a couple of fools the old adage of give a child the backing of an adult and they will take on the world, I am not convinced how adult are those seeking to support her big fish in a little pond springs to mind.
Unfortunately **** comes across as either a fool or utterly without integrity in my opinion and it may interest you to know she was forced to apologise for her behaviour in the NEC elections or be disqualified as the returning officer will confirm. The matter was taken no further and there was no need to disqualify her as the electorate cast very few votes for her!
Dont forget this is the same **** who has tried to make money by taking UKIP to Court before and then as I recall she was censured by the Court for her abuse of position and lack of probity in financial terms! I believe I am correct in substance but would suggest anyone wanting more information consult the Courts Public Record.
Anyone who wants further details of **** and **** is welcome to contact Ind. UK, who will surely have kept copies of my various correspondence on the matter.**
22 4) The implications for the party's finances of the likely legal costs involved in fighting items 1 to 3 above,
**There is no doubt this is true and unfortunately one is forced to invest money in strong legal defence however corrupt, batty or inaccurate the claims may be consider for a moment whose money those who rush to litigation against UKIP are seeking to get their hands on do they care about Britain, Justice or UKIP, do they care about freedom, individuals or rights. Much is made of their dedicated underpaid contributionJ based on their conviction how soon that reverts to avarice!!!**
23 given the overspending in the incompetently handled recent local and regional elections.
**Yet again crass misinformation the local and regional elections were a tremendous achievement by UKIP particularly in Wales where the number of votes gained, as a result of investment of time and money, was 4 times that EVER obtained by UKIP, in Wales alone markedly more deposits were saved than in the whole of these United Kingdoms at the last election!!! Well done UKIP and congratulations to those who backed the investment in Britains future. Failure to have done so would have proved disastrous at the next EP elections as there would have been so little to build on.**
24 5) Halting immediately any further contact with the disgraced pollster Dick Morris as reported in last Thursday's Daily Telegraph.
**Oh what bitter little people you are!!
Dick Morris is a HIRED HAND and is assisting UKIP in various areas, already his engagement has given rise to more beneficial publicity than has EVER come from either the NE or the Yorkshire Region.
It is probable that the only individual in the tantrum club who has generated more publicity on their own, of recent years, was when he was on TV claiming something along the lines of he would have a bum lift!!! Well I guess many have tried!!!*
25 And last but very far from least..
**Praise be for that! I am bored witless rebutting such a negative, self aggrandising, inaccurate load of clap trap you should seek help or alternatively try suicide, or both!!!*
26 6) Surely, now, at this late stage, the calling to account by the NEC of those responsible for the current situation. **
**I understand this just might well be done tomorrow and **** will be dumped for her duplicity, **** will either accept that he has to behave like a grown up or quit, his childish tantrums and rants and threats ill become any meeting of consequence, it may impress little girls in the hair dressers but being a prat can be a serious disadvantage in real life!
**** of course will follow **** for as long as he is taken seriously and patted on the head by him and poor old Tony is so mixed up despite his money he seems not to understand either the meaning of loyalty or it would seem the aims of UKIP, but seeks to be the centre of controversy to enhance his seemingly sad life.
Let us leave it at that, regarding individuals, for we all know who benefits UKIP and who are, with those I have named, seeking notoriety and trying like crazy to hang onto positions and UKIP which is growing so much faster than their ability!**
27 Can it really be too much to hope that serious steps might now be taken to remove the incompetents who are driving the party into the ground at the very time outside events are moving so clearly in the Eurorealists favour.
**Having now read the facts you can make your own judgement who is of value to UKIP and Britain and who are just there for their own selves!**
28 The Blogspot UKIP Uncovered can be visited for further detailed background material on all these matters by clicking on the link
http://ukipuncovered.blogspot.com
**Having been proven here to be nothing more than self seeking mischief making which favours the EU Soviet by trying to harm UKIP it will be interesting to see if they have the integrity to remove their site!**
29 Read what you choose and believe it or not, but let the NEC members know how you feel about the future of our party. Preferably ahead of Monday's crucial meeting, for if it goes the same way as recent such gatherings yet more decent volunteer members may well see no
alternative but to resign!
**I re-itterate my request that you do contact the responsible members of the NEC, those you hear regularly on media and public platforms working for UKIPs cause and Britain. As members ask that the time wasters and trouble makers are at least marginalized or better still forced to resign. It is ridiculous that a small claque of showboaters can force an NEC meeting into the stultifying boredom of 8 hours! Imagine the self importance of NEC members sabre rattling to show off and threatening personal legal action to get their own way repeatedly at an NEC meeting if they are so useless that they need a lawyer to speak for them why dont they resign with dignity and we could use the lawyer to replace themJ!! Cant such juvenile and inadequate little people be left out of meetings and UKIP run responsibly by a management team of some substance comprising those who do the real work rather than ringing round their claque fermenting trouble and misinforming to try to trick NEC members into not coming to meetings!**
30 This email has been sent to as many NEC members as possible and copied to a party discussion forum. As many ordinary members as possible have been sent blind copies.
**It is to be hoped that they will realise the aim of the original was to dupe them and was sent with dishonest and malevolent intent how could such behaviour be EVER seen as constructive or in the interest of UKIP or Britain save only by the self deluded OR those in the employ of the EU Soviet.**
31 Forward this to other UKIP members you may feel might have an interest. Get them to drop us an email if they wish to be included
in an future updates, should such be necessary.
**I trust all of you receiving this rebuttal will ensure that it reaches as large an audience.**
32 If you are not a UKIP member or have no interest in receiving future communications, please also send us an email and we will remove you from our listings. We are sorry to have troubled you.
**Surely the whole aim was to trouble people!!**
33 Democracy depends on information, we aim to keep you aware of what is happening within the UK Independence Party, nothing more nor less.
**Firstly why have you so repeatedly aimed to deceive? Secondly why have you based your vitriol on distortions?**
34 In any event, please consider this dilemma, if we cannot fight to win back our party from the undemocratic and secretive forces that
now have it in their grip, how can we expect to lead the fight to win back our Country from the undemocratic and secretive powers of the EU.
**This is nothing more than a have you stopped beating your wifestatement there is no evidence whatsoever given or led that UKIP is, as you try to claim, in the hands of: undemocratic and secretive forces that now have it in their gripthis is the politics of the play ground grow up.
IF you have something worthwhile to say bring it on!! I challenge you to an open debate to make your point before a public audience in Chepstow. I will provide a venue suitable for 100 people, since it is YOU who are making the accusations no item may be led in your debate for which you can not bring documentary evidence and provenance.
I appreciate that my public rebuttal of your publically distributed tantrum may well lead to upsetting the dignity of a few self important people consider the harm you do. The hours wasted by both dreaming up your imagined and implied vitriol, maintaining the web site and distributing your inaccurate poison is of little consequence, you seem to have proved you are of little use in the fight against the EU Soviet.
However consider the time wasted of people reading both your poison and the needed rebuttal which could so much more constructively have been spent recruiting for UKIP, which of course the NE knows little about as proven by their results.
More importantly could I bring it to your attention that it is more important rebutting the lies of Blair & Drowning Street and the evil of the obscene centralised, corrupt EU Soviet.
What have you done to undermine the EUro and the evil concept that Britains economy should be managed by a secretive clique of bankers for the benefit of France & Germany in line with the Treaty of Elysee of 1963. Have you read, let alone addressed the issues of the proposed Constitution for the new Soviet?
Just what do you do of value to UKIP or Britain?
I repeat my challenge:
Attend and debate, openly, with integrity, evidence and provenance OR have the integrity to resign from UKIP and advise those who support your malicious stance to likewise resign and also since if you will not attend to debate you have obviously accepted you are proven dishonest and a liar thus have the integrity to remove your web site within seven days.
"In politics, stupidity is not a handicap."
Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821),
Regards,
Greg
Greg Lance - Watkins,
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